“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” THOMAS JEFFERSON

What is all this talk about FREEDOM TO CHOSE? If the issue does not contradict a standard, then, and only then, it is free choice. However we don’t say people should have the RIGHT to chose between stealing,killing, torturing?

Now, the question here is Segregation, and I ask you to be forth-right with not only me, but all of us. By what standard do you refer to when you say people should have right to chose? Western Ideology? Kuwaiti Constitution? A theological book perhaps?

No one forced you to go to the US, no one forced you to leave Kuwait – yet YOU CHOSE to do so.

See, that’s a concept that you and your bunch of extremist cronies will never understand – life is about freedom of choice. It’s about making the right choices – it’s NOT about you or your pathetic bunch of hypocrites forcing your beliefs or interpretations down mine or any of my fellow brothers and sisters throats.

What a joke you are.

A selfish 21 year old kid who benefits from the rich minds of a free society – yet trying to restrict the education and choice of others in another.

I swear by the Lord of Ka’aba that I’m not the poster who goes by the name of “Anti-Secularism.” You can even have Mark check the IPs if you want, but that’s all I’m going to say. Believe it or not, I don’t really care.

Regarding my studying in the US in a co-ed environment, here’s why. There are some things that take precedence over other things, not all things are equally as important. Right now, what the Ummah needs the most, besides the revival of religion in the people’s hearts, is people with advanced degrees and a better education. That goal is obviously far more important than keeping a safe distance away from marrigable members of the opposite sex, provided that the person who admits himself to such an environment feels reasonably confident about his ability to guard his chastity. This is justifiable ONLY as long it remains to be the EXCEPTION rather than the RULE.

This is exactly analogus to the situation a physician may find himself in. We all know that it’s impermissible to look at other people’s ‘Awrah (nudity), but we make an exception for the doctor because the patient’s health, which is assumed to be dependant on a nude examination, takes precedence over the impermissibility of observing the ‘awrah.

Another thing to keep in mind is that I don’t have a say in whether or not my university is segregated, while obviously the exact opposite is true when it comes to Kuwait. I assure you that I’d tell them to segregate campus if I were appointed dean.

Also, I’d like to point out that I wan’t always observant of my religion. I changed a lot over the years that I’ve spent here in the US, and I became convinced of my current religious views AFTER coming to the states, so it’s not like I could change anything now. If I could go back in time, I would probably go to Kuwait University instead of come here. And I came here for the quality of education, not the mythical “benefits of a co-ed environment” (ie; gazz). If it’s any consolation, rest assured that a heavily bearded Arab walking around campus with a miswak has little to no chance of getting a date anyway :P.

So there you go, too many assumptions and hasty judgement on your part is why you fail every single time. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain myself, you may now apply hair gel and head to the nearest mall to enjoy the benefits of a co-ed enviornment :D

Respect other posters. if you have a problem with Monotheist, speak to him privately. and if you can’t, then that’s your problem.

Monotheist, you sad, hypocritical idiot. You’re in the US Studying in a co-ed system and enjoying the benefits of such – yet condone the imposing of segregation in Kuwait?

You sad, sad little fool. Stop embarrassing yourself with your idiotic posts. The whole of this community is already gushing at the seems with laughter at your inane, contradictory bullshit. You’re a 21 year kid with a lot to learn about life.

sfsa78:

leave the Extremists alone now. If you want to discuss this matter objectively, then I’m willing to continue this discussion. if you want to slate Islamic politicians and extremists, then our discussion is over.

I disagree with most of the political Islamic parties in Kuwait, and in the rest of the world. many of them are driven by other motives, other than obeying Allah’s orders.

I believe that Islam was a god given gift, and we should cherish it, and work by it untill the last days of our lives. If you agree with me, then you should atleast do your best to obey all of Allah’s orders.

Let’s settle for a middle ground, Shall we?

I say Islam (not Islamists) brought alot of Laws that shouldn’t be breached. without mentioning them right now, do you agree on that?

and i mean, Real Islam, not the “Extremists’ Islam” as you call it.