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		<title>By: Rajeev Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490340</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490337</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Clarifications:

Q. If they extend it to non-Kuwaitis (which technically shouldn’t be too complicated), this would be useful.

A. in Phase 1, PACI plans to issue Smart Civil ID to Kuwaitis only while in Phase 2, it will be extended to Expatriates.

Q. The new civil id card better be a good card , each time you give it at the pump reduces it lifetime (chemical exposure,elements etc) .

A. The new Civil ID cards are PVC composite cards with quite a few security measures including a Screen Lamination making it very durable and secondly the Chip use in these cards has a life of more than 1 million swipes/inserts which overall makes it a durable card to be used for multiple purposes

Q. So if loose my I’d anyone can just use the money in it without a pin code?? Just like a visa card, except visa needs at least a signature, and is insured for fraudulent use??

A. in case of loss/theft of the card, you can call Soor customer service at 1841010 and the card will be blocked instantly to avoid misuse.. the balance on your card will then be transferred to the new card obtained by you.  Also, please note that the Fuel transactions are normally KD 3 to KD 5 only which limits the risk of misuse greatly. 

On the other hand if you have a Prepaid fuel card and if you lose the card then you lose the money in it as well, which is not the case with Civil ID cards. Also, the photo on card is matched with the customer to add another level of security... 

Q. Wait – is this the same electronic Civin ID card most people *cant* get until their current card expires? Thats what 2015?

A. Already PACI has issued more than 135,000 smart cards to Citizens.. and you can apply for the new card even before it is expired.

Q. KNET fee
A. The Civil Id can be funded online using KNET card on KNET payment gateway.. the KNET charges are not passed to customer giving full value for your money... while all other prepaid cards have an additional charge for the card.

Q. Security and privacy
A. The payments and records are as secure as any other banking transaction as it is used through the same ISO standard payment system used for the banks. Regarding the Privacy, the Soor Fuel Marketing is committed to the privacy of its customer and we DO NOT store/sell/transfer any information that is not printed on the card... BTW dont forget that PACI has tested it themselves first.

Q. ATM and other Cards, Competition
A. This is an additional method of payment for customers. It is not meant to replace the Master/Visa/ATM cards. In fact ALFA itself has a Prepaid &amp; Postpaid Cards for its customers if they wish to buy one.

The ALFA Prepaid cards called &quot;ALFA Fillup&quot; are available in KD 20, KD 30, KD 50, KD 70 &amp; KD 100 denominations and Post paid cards called &quot;ALFA PLUS&quot; can be used as much with payment due after the month of use. Again for the postpaid cards, there is NO hidden charges for these cards.

Just to reassure, your money is safe &amp; secure with the Fuel Company (Soor Fuel Marketing Company) and we guarantee to honour ALFA cards in all our stations or your money would be refunded if you are not satisfied or happy with the service.

Thanks.

Rajeev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Clarifications:</p>
<p>Q. If they extend it to non-Kuwaitis (which technically shouldn’t be too complicated), this would be useful.</p>
<p>A. in Phase 1, PACI plans to issue Smart Civil ID to Kuwaitis only while in Phase 2, it will be extended to Expatriates.</p>
<p>Q. The new civil id card better be a good card , each time you give it at the pump reduces it lifetime (chemical exposure,elements etc) .</p>
<p>A. The new Civil ID cards are PVC composite cards with quite a few security measures including a Screen Lamination making it very durable and secondly the Chip use in these cards has a life of more than 1 million swipes/inserts which overall makes it a durable card to be used for multiple purposes</p>
<p>Q. So if loose my I’d anyone can just use the money in it without a pin code?? Just like a visa card, except visa needs at least a signature, and is insured for fraudulent use??</p>
<p>A. in case of loss/theft of the card, you can call Soor customer service at 1841010 and the card will be blocked instantly to avoid misuse.. the balance on your card will then be transferred to the new card obtained by you.  Also, please note that the Fuel transactions are normally KD 3 to KD 5 only which limits the risk of misuse greatly. </p>
<p>On the other hand if you have a Prepaid fuel card and if you lose the card then you lose the money in it as well, which is not the case with Civil ID cards. Also, the photo on card is matched with the customer to add another level of security&#8230; </p>
<p>Q. Wait – is this the same electronic Civin ID card most people *cant* get until their current card expires? Thats what 2015?</p>
<p>A. Already PACI has issued more than 135,000 smart cards to Citizens.. and you can apply for the new card even before it is expired.</p>
<p>Q. KNET fee<br />
A. The Civil Id can be funded online using KNET card on KNET payment gateway.. the KNET charges are not passed to customer giving full value for your money&#8230; while all other prepaid cards have an additional charge for the card.</p>
<p>Q. Security and privacy<br />
A. The payments and records are as secure as any other banking transaction as it is used through the same ISO standard payment system used for the banks. Regarding the Privacy, the Soor Fuel Marketing is committed to the privacy of its customer and we DO NOT store/sell/transfer any information that is not printed on the card&#8230; BTW dont forget that PACI has tested it themselves first.</p>
<p>Q. ATM and other Cards, Competition<br />
A. This is an additional method of payment for customers. It is not meant to replace the Master/Visa/ATM cards. In fact ALFA itself has a Prepaid &amp; Postpaid Cards for its customers if they wish to buy one.</p>
<p>The ALFA Prepaid cards called &#8220;ALFA Fillup&#8221; are available in KD 20, KD 30, KD 50, KD 70 &amp; KD 100 denominations and Post paid cards called &#8220;ALFA PLUS&#8221; can be used as much with payment due after the month of use. Again for the postpaid cards, there is NO hidden charges for these cards.</p>
<p>Just to reassure, your money is safe &amp; secure with the Fuel Company (Soor Fuel Marketing Company) and we guarantee to honour ALFA cards in all our stations or your money would be refunded if you are not satisfied or happy with the service.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Rajeev</p>
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		<title>By: Bobader Alsarkastiki</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490210</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobader Alsarkastiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily, I for one love the idea of having an alternative way of paying for my gasoline. within the 3 months since I cam back home to kuwait, Ive had 2-3 incidents where I havent got cash or I forgot to see the gas indicator while driving with me not having my wallet on due to short journeys that require me to get back home. My civil ID goes in my car at all given times, I can use it to cross borders without the passport, comes in handy. Should be limited to kuwaitis though, as you know they will always end up in kuwait and be prosecuted if misused, expats have the choice of buying a one way ticket back to wherever they came from with a nice fat middle finger raised from the airplane window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily, I for one love the idea of having an alternative way of paying for my gasoline. within the 3 months since I cam back home to kuwait, Ive had 2-3 incidents where I havent got cash or I forgot to see the gas indicator while driving with me not having my wallet on due to short journeys that require me to get back home. My civil ID goes in my car at all given times, I can use it to cross borders without the passport, comes in handy. Should be limited to kuwaitis though, as you know they will always end up in kuwait and be prosecuted if misused, expats have the choice of buying a one way ticket back to wherever they came from with a nice fat middle finger raised from the airplane window.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMahbob</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490146</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMahbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rajeev Gupta ,,

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rajeev Gupta ,,</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490139</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction:

Regarding the ALFA stations, these stations are in existance for years the brand has recently been changed to ALFA which should NOW be visible to everyone going to ALFA Gas station.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction:</p>
<p>Regarding the ALFA stations, these stations are in existance for years the brand has recently been changed to ALFA which should NOW be visible to everyone going to ALFA Gas station.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490138</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr.Mahboob,

Appreciate your feedback about the registration process. We are fixing it to make more user friendly and soon you will see a positive change.

Further, the registration is only one time task and next time you can Add Funds to your account with minimal effort.

Thanks.

Rajeev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr.Mahboob,</p>
<p>Appreciate your feedback about the registration process. We are fixing it to make more user friendly and soon you will see a positive change.</p>
<p>Further, the registration is only one time task and next time you can Add Funds to your account with minimal effort.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Rajeev</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490113</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Civil ID payment system is NOT meant and supposed to replace any other mode of payment like ATM Card or existing fuel cards.

This is one additional method of payment introduced to provide one more choice to the Citizens of this country and to improve convenience.

Trust me gentlemen this was probably the one project where NO public money was spent and there is no hidden so called Carbon Taxation on the customers.

I would strongly suggest you to try it once to see how convenient and simple it is and you can start with as little as KD 5. 

Further, the safety of your money is guaranteed by the Fuel Company directly instead of a small third party company in case of other fuel cards in the market.

As it is mentioned on the Website, There are NO Charges whatsoever for the customer. All costs are picked by the Soor Fuel Company the owners of ALFA Brand Stations.

Regarding the ALFA stations, these stations are in existance for years the brand has recently been changed to ALFA which should not be visible to everyone going to ALFA Gas station.

Good luck and keep watching. I will inform you about the other undocumented features for this service in my next post.

Drive Safe and dont forget to try ALFA... its a brand new way to pay.

Rajeev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Civil ID payment system is NOT meant and supposed to replace any other mode of payment like ATM Card or existing fuel cards.</p>
<p>This is one additional method of payment introduced to provide one more choice to the Citizens of this country and to improve convenience.</p>
<p>Trust me gentlemen this was probably the one project where NO public money was spent and there is no hidden so called Carbon Taxation on the customers.</p>
<p>I would strongly suggest you to try it once to see how convenient and simple it is and you can start with as little as KD 5. </p>
<p>Further, the safety of your money is guaranteed by the Fuel Company directly instead of a small third party company in case of other fuel cards in the market.</p>
<p>As it is mentioned on the Website, There are NO Charges whatsoever for the customer. All costs are picked by the Soor Fuel Company the owners of ALFA Brand Stations.</p>
<p>Regarding the ALFA stations, these stations are in existance for years the brand has recently been changed to ALFA which should not be visible to everyone going to ALFA Gas station.</p>
<p>Good luck and keep watching. I will inform you about the other undocumented features for this service in my next post.</p>
<p>Drive Safe and dont forget to try ALFA&#8230; its a brand new way to pay.</p>
<p>Rajeev.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMahbob</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490075</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMahbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried it and it worked fine with me .. but their few points why in the registration you must put postal code and bo box ?
and also the worker their when I gave him my card he was surprised and ask me you sure it is working ! and he was laughing
and in the same time it update on the site that I used the card and which station and data time
it was good experience :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried it and it worked fine with me .. but their few points why in the registration you must put postal code and bo box ?<br />
and also the worker their when I gave him my card he was surprised and ask me you sure it is working ! and he was laughing<br />
and in the same time it update on the site that I used the card and which station and data time<br />
it was good experience :)</p>
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		<title>By: Holla</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490072</link>
		<dc:creator>Holla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody made a shitload of money thanks to wasta and corruption, by suggesting this stupid and useless feature to his relative/friend in the govt and then getting millions to implement it in a half-arsed way with the rest of the money going to his pocket. Livin&#039; the Kuwaiti dream LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody made a shitload of money thanks to wasta and corruption, by suggesting this stupid and useless feature to his relative/friend in the govt and then getting millions to implement it in a half-arsed way with the rest of the money going to his pocket. Livin&#8217; the Kuwaiti dream LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Ba6alah</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490026</link>
		<dc:creator>Ba6alah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why would i use my Civil id if I got the Atm Card and i can pay with both of them ?! :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why would i use my Civil id if I got the Atm Card and i can pay with both of them ?! :/</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramez,
Of course paying the exact amount in cash is the fastest way, but then again, I don&#039;t get my salary from my daddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramez,<br />
Of course paying the exact amount in cash is the fastest way, but then again, I don&#8217;t get my salary from my daddy.</p>
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		<title>By: TweeZ</title>
		<link>http://www.248am.com/mark/kuwait/pay-for-gas-using-your-civil-id/#comment-490007</link>
		<dc:creator>TweeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carbon taxation....you just wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carbon taxation&#8230;.you just wait and see.</p>
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