Clen does work. I happen to believe that it works better that an ECA stack (short run at least) but I still firmly believe that it is not a safe compound to use as a means to alter one’s body recomposition and aesthetics.

As a sufferer or asthma since age 7, I have extensively researched the topic since about age 16 and regularly attend asthma clinics in the UK to understand the latest treatments and developments in the treatment of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (that’s asthma, to you). As a beta 2-sympathomimetic bronchodilator, Clenbuterol has proven to increase Peak Expiratory Flow Rate used alone or in conjunction with the commonly prescribed albuterol sulfate inhaler. With no side effects. Likewise, steroids are also used as a preventative asthma treatment, particularly inhaled glucocorticosteriod medications (incidentally, I take this daily, and the albuterol sulfate as required). Yet steroid abuse also causes negative effects on a small number of people. Despite this, steroids are used as a long-term treatment without children or adults keeling over dead in the middle of the detergent aisle of the supermarket on a daily basis (though it would make parking in Sultan Centre much easier).

As a regularly-administered treatment worldwide, Clenbuterol is safe. If it’s not, you are accusing the world’s top experts and medical professionals of peddling drugs that kill. I think that’s very brave of you, and if you truly believe it I suggest you submit your research to the BMJ to see if they’ll publish it - of just laugh and use it to mop up the deadly coffee stains on their desks.

Fact is… Clenbuterol has a number of benefits unrelated to the safe treatment of asthma. One is to increase lung capacity, allowing sports-people to abuse the drug as a performance-enhancer for running, swimming and so on. And as I’ve already mentioned - which is the main point here - it has a thermogenic capacity, meaning that it promotes a higher core body temperature (around perhaps 0.5-1 degree centigrade). The additional body heat is fuelled from energy from the body, a large propotion of which comes from the body’s fat store.

And that’s why it works.

And for sure, it’s safer than the ECA stack which I won’t even go into (yet is often more effective), because it’s difficult to get ephedrine on the market these days.

Abdullah: What’s your dosage and cycle of Clenbuterol? It would be interesting to know. I always recommend a 2-3 weeks cycle, and at least for the first couple of cycles starting with about 40mcg, gradually peaking to max 120mcg, and down again to the end of the cycle. Some colleagues adminsiter a straight 2-week 120mcg per day, followed by 2 weeks off, but I never recommend such a quick jump into a maximum dosage.

Don’t misinform.

But the way you misrepresent FACTS by quoting things about rats and guys who overdose - well, guess what, you can overdose on paracetamol too! Should we stop taking that if we need to relieve a headache?

Too much caffeine causes:
Cause irregular heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
Increase the heart rate
Increase the rate of breathing
Increase the force of the heartbeat
Raise levels of stress hormones
Raise blood pressure, temporarily
(see, I can copy and paste from online documents too…)

But should we close down cafes?

Clenbuterol promotes thermogenesis in your body. Fact. It is entierly safe if dosage is recommended and supervised by a healthcare professional. Fact.

From my experience, most fitness professionals (including yourself) don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

“For starters, there are more rodent studies under the sun that show clenbuterol use can cause significant cardiac hypertrophy?so many in fact that I?m not even going to bother citing them. Just type ?clenbuterol? and ?cardiac hypertrophy? into Google if you don?t believe me; no lie, it?s a little unsettling. However, clenbuterol also kills fat cells (adipocyte apoptosis) in rodents too, and it sure doesn?t in humans, so take that animal data for what it?s worth. Unfortunately though, things don?t look too much better when we move up the evolutionary chain and start looking at hearts in good-ole? human beings either.

For example in 1998, the internal medicine outpatient clinic at the University of Alabama Birmingham received a walk-in from a previously healthy 26-year-old bodybuilder complaining of significant chest pains. The man, who had a history of moderate anabolic steroid use but who had not used any steroid preparations in the weeks leading up to his visit, revealed that he had continuously been using clenbuterol for nearly a month [Loki?s note: idiot]. During check-up, the man turned out to be completely fit and healthy with the only exception being a significant amount of left ventricle (heart) hypertrophy and cardiac dyskinesias (meaning distortion of muscle [in this case smooth muscle] activity)(20).”

Myocardial infarction (HEART ATTACK!) in a 17-year-old body builder using clenbuterol.Kierzkowska B, Stanczyk J, Kasprzak JD.
Department of Paediatric Cardiology, Institute of Paediatrics, Medical University Lodz, Poland.

A case of non-Q myocardial infarction in a previously healthy 17-year-old body builder, who used clenbuterol, a long-acting beta(2) adrenergic agonist with anabolic and lipolytic effects, is reported. Only 1 case report of myocardial infarction associated with the use of clenbuterol was found in a literature review and that case was, however, associated with anabolic steroid use. This is the first case report to describe myocardial infarction in a young male body builder only taking clenbuterol.

The biochemical effects of clenbuterol: with particular reference to taurine and muscle damage.

Waterfield CJ, Jairath M, Asker DS, Timbrell JA.

Department of Toxicology, School of Pharmacy, University of London, UK.

Administration of clenbuterol to rats in the drinking water over a 4 day period increased incorporation of [3H]leucine into muscle protein and caused a slight reduction in urinary 3-methylhistidine but did not result in an increase in body or muscle weight. However, both urinary and liver taurine were significantly reduced at the highest dose of clenbuterol (2 mg.kg-1.day-1). Serum creatine kinase, muscle isoenzyme (CK-MM) was raised and single muscle fibre injury was observed in the soleus muscle in animals treated with the middle dose (0.2 mg.kg-1.day-1) and highest dose (2 mg.kg-1.day-1). The reduction in the body pool of taurine caused by clenbuterol is of concern as taurine has been shown to have protective properties.

So much for the “it’s simply a chemical that promotes thermogenesis in your body”.

Please don’t misinform.

Sono