Stomach It Or Forget It
I came accross something pretty amusing this morning while I was reading the news, so I thought I would share it with you guys. Whoever is thinking about immigrating to the Netherlands please read the following first to make sure you can handle it.
Since 1 March people who want to settle in the Netherlands are required to pass a preliminary exam at the Dutch embassy in their native country. This so-called “integration test” includes a film which exposes the would-be immigrants to scenes of kissing homosexual men and topless women emerging from the sea then walking onto a crowded beach. The message is that “If you can’t tolerate gay lifestyle and public nudity, you can’t come. For would-be immigrants to the Netherlands, this film is a test of their readiness to participate in the liberal Dutch culture.”
So if you can’t stomach it, no need to apply. Like..Cool huh?! Click on the link to read more. [Link]
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40 Comments, add your own...
1. Mo Hat | March 22nd, 2006 at 10:12 am
Well it is Holland afterall. Prostitutes are legal, so STOMACH IT.
2. Yazeed | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:08 am
lol
dutch people are just plain crazy
probably a way to defer muslim immigrants
3. The Stallion | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:50 am
Interesting test!
I think there would be alot of people in Kuwait who would pass it with flying colors!
4. Vineeth Menon | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:58 am
I think they just dont care bout silly things like gay people & nude beaches… So, they dont want people who have a problem to go & change the problem & controversy free life there.
5. Nat | March 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Yeah i think this test is a pretty smart idea. I know I would pass:)
6. moe | March 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 pm
this is crazy, i’m copying your post in my blog and linking you.
7. rehan | March 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm
This may be one way to stay muslims immigrants away from netherlands. Since most of the practising muslims would probably puke at looking at this rubbish. They are right ,how can you live in a society where certain actions go against your own religion and their religion.
8. Vineeth Menon | March 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Life is not all about religion.
Rehan, I’ve noticed I’ve been disagreeing with u a lil about couple of topics. This is nothing against you, & I apologise if there is any problem.
9. rehan | March 22nd, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Well vineeth,it is all about religion .If the individuals are practising muslims. The problem now a days is most of the people from different religions are not well versed with their religious scriptures. If you are then you know how much religion has importance.
Nothing against you but i am providing something to think about . You can disagree me with all you want .If a muslim disagrees then that individual is not a practising muslim.
10. Raine | March 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm
rehan - “If a muslim disagrees then that individual is not a practising muslim.”
If you believe in God, then I think you will agree that nobody can make the judgement you did but Him.
As for the video - I think people who move to different countries have to respect those countries’ culture. If it is not for you - don’t go there. You cannot impose your views on other countries. It is bad enough when people do so in their own countries!!
11. rehan | March 22nd, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Raine,I said that for a muslim religion is everything theoretically and practically. You haven’t really mentioned which God. There is only one God i.e Allah . Its not about respecting other culture but besides that you have to look at the fact that where are humans headed morally.
These things are getting common and will get even more common as time passes by .One of the signs of day of judgement.
12. Nat | March 22nd, 2006 at 2:29 pm
You know Rehan you have a strong tendacy into turning almost each thing into a religious issue for some reason. We have people of different religions and different opinions commenting on this blog, each has his beliefs and morals. If they don’t agree with your morale values or what you seem to belief that doesn’t make them wrong and you right or vice versa.
13. Lost | March 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Hmmmm i have to agree with rehan the mere idea that u have to watch the video for immigration is sickening.Whats happening to the moral fabric of society????? I do not think that being ok with open nudity makes me liberal.
Well i for one would never go there so problem solved.
14. Nat | March 22nd, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Exactly lost, most people going there know what to expect, the video is in this case available for those who don’t know..
15. tj | March 22nd, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Rehan dont talk about subjects that you have no idea of. I found living in Saudi morally objectionable. Holland is a great country that promotes freedom of expression at all levels weather its good or bad- thats the point- you can choose. My rights were more infringed on in SA than they could have been anywhere in the world. get a life.
16. rehan | March 22nd, 2006 at 4:02 pm
mate tj, i don’t need to get a life .You have to get a lif when openly accepting this rubbish. I am not saying it just because my religion condones it other religions too. Its because of selfish human nature to act arrogantly causes all these trouble.
I do have a loads of information .Its all about the fact how you discuss things with me. My dear everything in the world has limit. It back fires eventually .
17. rehan | March 22nd, 2006 at 4:03 pm
i don’t know why but some way all the sick twists are getting all the freedom and they are simply screwing up the society as humans. In the end they demand freedom.
18. Vineeth Menon | March 22nd, 2006 at 4:09 pm
i want to clarify something… Does being gay also include in that sick twists screwing up society ?
19. Kevin | March 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Human Beings R very intelligent people They Know wat’s good for them And Whats bad.
All One has to do is to get along with it, No matter wat place it is.
In Kuwait itself there lots of shit happening Some know it some don’t but, Kuwait still Has Its strong moral n religious ways going on.
When something bad is happening in front of u, ignore it.
The best e.g, the three wise monkeys, hear no evil see, no evil n, speak no evil.
So Nude people forget them n enjoy yourself. Gay let them kiss or do anything, just keep walking. Coz for them its rite n they feel Normal, make sure u leave all these people alone. That freedom to me at least enjoy ur urself n let others enjoy in their own way.
20. Kevin | March 22nd, 2006 at 4:42 pm
I would like to know wat Mark thinks of the film ?
21. smg | March 22nd, 2006 at 7:07 pm
i saw u before two days at the gulf road, i was looking at u and saying hi but u ignored me.
22. tj | March 22nd, 2006 at 9:05 pm
hey rehan, your religion condones it, eh? fyi condones= accepts and says it is fine. stick to the short words my friend
23. seven | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:22 pm
tj must be a homo
24. 3abboud of rak | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:24 pm
rehan
U are a bigot. period. and that is a serious problem.
25. Pearls | March 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 pm
The other day my dad’s co-worker talked about this. It’s so silly.
26. rehan | March 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 am
no where islam says homosexuality is acceptable for your information .Mate i am telling you the facts. For most of you who are objecting don’t belong to this religion .Its very natural for me to face all the criticism from you guys.
27. 3abboud of rak | March 23rd, 2006 at 2:06 am
well i was born muslim. and whether i find homo acceptable or not is irrelevant. the point is in Holland, they want u to be openminded about it and that is their business.
28. rehan | March 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 am
well if u are standing up to be an advocate of homosexuals .THen woe and shame on you. Its so sad to hear this from someone who is of my religion.
29. Cynic | March 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 am
For approx 400 years the Dutch economically, politically & religiously oppressed the people of Indonesia. They colonised our country, treated our people as 2nd class citizens, pillaged our natural resources, killed & exiled thousands for daring to oppose the Dutch occupation. The ones who suffered and were oppressed the most were of course the Muslims (Indonesia is 90% Muslim)
Now they complain because in the aftermath of Indonesian independance many Indonesians formed migrant communities in Holland.
Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.
Do not be naive. Dutch “liberalism” has its foundations rooted in ethnocentrism, slavery, racism, exploitation.
This test is just another ploy to keep the “enemy” at bay-the enemy being anyone who is not a white Christian European.
30. Mark | March 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 am
Keven if Netherlands was mine i wouldn’t let anyone in and kick out everyone who wasn’t a hot female prostitute lol
31. Nat | March 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 pm
SMg u saw me? I don’t usually reply to people i don’t know, specially on the gulf road if u know what i mean..
Rehan for your information Homosexuality is also not acceptable in christianity, if you read more on other religions you would know that. I don’t mind gay people, their personal preferences is none of my business. It’s not your problem to tell people what they can and cant do and what is wrong or right. God teaches us to accept others regardless of how they are. You seem to think that everyone who doesn’t share your beliefs and views is a enemy of god and a sinner. What gives you the right the make that judgment. Judge yourself before you start judging others. It’s pretty clear by now that you seem to be nothing but an extremist.
32. Raine | March 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Nat - I agree. It seems people have decided that they have the right to decide what does and does not make a “good” muslim. In essence, they have a God complex. This is part of the reason Islam is in a crisis and has such a bad profile all over the world. The most vocal “muslims” are the extremists, and they have the arrogance to believe that they can judge the world in the name of their (interpretation of) “religion.” Sadly, these people are often the least educated, least compassionate, and most hypocritical of the bunch. What a mess they have made of things. I thought religion was supposed to enhance your life - make you happy and tolerant… but these people always seem miserable and they hate everyone! If life is a gift, they have squandered theirs.
33. Nat | March 23rd, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Very well said Raine, i couldn’t agree with you more.
34. Kleio | March 24th, 2006 at 5:00 am
Here here Nat, Raine, and tj. Religion, including Islam, is supposed to be about peace and tolerance. People like rehan have hijacked Islam and turned it into a weapon of hate. I have zero tolerance for people who preach, and who feel as though it is their right and business to judge people. As I’ve said on more than one occasion, only people riddled with guilt about their own existence feel the need to constantly judge and dictate to others on how they should live their lives. Nothing irks me more than people who call themselves “muslims” and yet maintain their “God complex”, as you said Raine, and feel the need to impose their interpretation of religion on others. Just goes to show that they don’t know the first thing about Islam or any other religion for that matter. Like tj said, just look at good ol’ SA…!
35. unanamous | March 25th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
Dude rehan, you have to understand its not something you can control. You cant flick a switch and just make yourself straight. And because the muslim religion has banned it, 90% of the kuwaiti population, are in fact gay, you can see it. Pink shirts, tight jeans that they paid extra for just so they could be ripped. I see male kuwaitis walking round in some clothes meant for women! So it is perfectly natural to be gay, and it is not something you can control.
And to carry on with nat and raine, i agree too, Islam has been given a bad name nowaday thanks to extremists and muslim ways. In england, it is very common to find both sexes hanging out together, but often in an area with a large muslim population, the local brits are often critisized and bullied by the large ‘gang’ of muslim men as to them it is wrong. But since when has it been their right to criticize the ways of the nationals. If they see something wrong, why dont they bugger off to their own country! Also a while back, it was banned to celebrate christmas publically, as it was ‘offensive’ against some of the local immigrants religion, namely islam. So not to be totally racism, but i do not think it is fair for immigrants to move to a country such as france, britain or america, and complain about the ways that the country is run, that is why i feel the ‘video’ is a very good idea. I am personally fed up with people coming from foreign countrys to live in mine (england) and thn complaining about the way it is run. Also another problem was france, when they banned any sign of religion, as france is anti religion in that it has no state religion, it was the muslims of the country who by the way are immigrants, who complained first, as the women were banned frm wearing the hijab in public, meanwhile the jews of the country said nothing and just accepted that they would not be allowed to wear their skullcaps.
Anyway to end this essay off (sorry folks) I agree with Nat and Raine, and feel that this rehan fellow is very foolish to think he has the right to go around putting dirt on gay people, and telling poeple who have a wide horizon in terms of their outlook on life and the world that they are shameful. You should apologize to “3abboud of rak” and everyone else you have denounced. Shame on YOU!
36. Stuart van Beek | March 25th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
I’m afraid many of you are wrong about this.
The exam is not about homosexuals in The Netherlands, it is about the fact that many immigrants -especially muslims- don’t care about learning Dutch or how to behave like the Dutch (not referring to the gay footage). Many immigrants who have lived in our country for longer than 5 years (enough to learn our language), are not ‘integrated’ in our Dutch socieity.
Many of the Dutch are, well, quite annoyed by this, as they can’t properly communicate with the immigrants.
Conclusion; the footage of Gaypride (it’s a festival) is shown because many muslim immigrants dispise the gay as it goes against their religion.
Note: many of the Dutch do not like immigrants as they -I hate to say this- commit more crimes than the dutch themselves. I do not ‘hate’ or dispise the immigrants nor muslims.
– Stuart van Beek
37. Nat | March 26th, 2006 at 10:13 am
Unanamous you’re absolutely right. Very well said.
Stuart We know that the video is intend to teach immigrants more about the dutch culture and not just expose them to gay people. This post somehow turned into a discussion about homosexuals because another blogger “Rehan” was saying negative stuff about them and the dutch culture. And this footage is nevertheless a very smart idea indeed to expose unaware immigrants to your culture before they make a wrongful decision.
I love Holland by the way and I intend to visit sometime in the near futur since I haven’t been there yet:)
38. anonymous | March 26th, 2006 at 10:43 am
To each his/her own! Live and let live! I don’t understand why fanatics of all stripes feel so insecure in their beliefs that they constantly have to insist that their way is the only “correct” way. I think it is especially cowardly to suggest that if you are not a “muslim” according to their rules, then it is not even worth talking to you or trying to understand your point of view. Living ethically does not mean that you have to be a straight, bearded, covered-in- black-from-head-to-toe, “true muslim.” Living ethically means treating people kindly, loving your neighbor even if your neighbor is nothing like you, appreciating life and doing all you can to make it better (i.e. taking care of the environment, alleviating as much suffering as you can, etc.), tolerating people’s right to express themselves and to practice their own forms of worship. Just because you pray five times a day does not make you a better person, nor does it give you the right to judge others. Enough with the hypocrisy! Enough with the rigidity! This tyrannical version of Islam has taken the Arab world back a hundred years. We need to take responsibility for ourselves, to stop relying on our politics of blame as an excuse (it’s racism, it’s colonialism, it’s globalization—yes, it may well be, but it’s us too!). We need change and we need it now. Some of us are suffocating under the pressure of this one-dimensionality!
39. zaydoun | September 3rd, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Why anyone would migrate to a country that lives against their religious beliefs is something I never understood.
Which is more important? Making a living or being true to your religion? The answer to the question should determine where you migrate to
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